[Propofol]

Hi everyone

Hope all is well.

I’m debating between these 3 models as they are realistic in terms of timing of when I can get them (all within 2 years).

Ideally i would be getting a manual 911 (advantage of getting a gts) but a turbo PDK would also be quite an excellent choice as well.
I would be 5th on the list for the gts, 2nd on the list for a gts 4 and 3rd on the list for a turbo model.
Any advice would be appreciated. I would test drive these vehicles but the dealership does not have them for me to test drive lol. There is only so much information you can get off YouTube.
Thank you.

 

[yrralis1]

Hi everyone

Hope all is well.

I’m debating between these 3 models as they are realistic in terms of timing of when I can get them (all within 2 years).

Ideally i would be getting a manual 911 (advantage of getting a gts) but a turbo PDK would also be quite an excellent choice as well.
I would be 5th on the list for the gts, 2nd on the list for a gts 4 and 3rd on the list for a turbo model.
Any advice would be appreciated. I would test drive these vehicles but the dealership does not have them for me to test drive lol. There is only so much information you can get off YouTube.
Thank you.

Most people did not have access to the cars for test drives. This is quite different than the past when dealership lots were filled with cars. These are three very different cars.

The all wheel drive cars will have some rear wheel drive bias ., however one cannot deny that excess weight hanging over the front axle. It will take away from the drive in certain areas but provide grip in inclement weather like snow or rain. I personally prefer the rear wheel drive car. They are more nimble and agile. The rear of the car feels like you’re being pushed in the front wheels or just the steering as opposed to all four wheels putting down power simultaneously. However I have purchased two turbos in my life. I currently own one still. There is a disconnect with the car in terms of driver focus however to manage the power of and torque of the horsepower planting down all four wheels Enhances the safety of use on public roads. There of been those tempted to buy a GT2 Only to find out they couldn’t manage this in street use..

I believe the closest one can come to a GT car is the GTS coupe. In fact if he goes in the direction of performance and plays into Porsche strength he can do as I have chosen to do. I put the light weight package on my car as well as ceramic brakes and a carbon fiber roof. There’s no sunroof and no rear seat. By cutting the weight , tweaking the steering mechanism which is equipped with the package and adding the glass which allows the exhaust know to enter the cabin but sacrifice is the wind noise from the outside the car will feel as raw and edgy as a GT car yet become the kind of car I can take my wife out to dinner in. Although I am tired of journalist calling it “the sweet spot“ there is some merit to that definition.

Be sure when you get your number on the waitlist that they are being sincere with a timeline. There are some dealerships that have been known to deposit farm . That is they’ll take your deposit promise you a car and tell you you’re a number wait to hold your deposit indefinitely because they’ll never be able to fill your order. If you are not a repeat buyer you are looking at very select models. There is a hierarchy as to who gets these models. Of course there are those first time buyers paying $50-$100,000 of a sticker to try and cut the line and some dealerships have gone for the money grab however the reputable ones are catering to the loyal local buyers.. 918 buyers get top priority. If they want a GT car they will get it first. Those who spent over $1 million in the dealership approved to be first or second on the line for a GTS Or Turbo with an apple timeline of deposit. I am in that second tier I will be the first GTS in my city. Be sure of the timeline so you don’t wait for two years only to be disappointed. The alternative is the search the used market and paid exorbitant price for used one. Dealerships become furious with those buyers who flip cars. Sadly just is there a dealerships there are also buyers who are out just to make a buck. I believe that one of the reasons that I was granted this car is because they know I’m going to drive the car for five years and handed back to them with 50,000 miles and traded in for another one just like I have done for the last 30 years.

 

[Propofol]

Wow plenty of good advice and wisdom with your post !
thank you so much for your help!!!

do you mind me asking if you are getting a manual or pdk with your next gts ?
Also do you mind sharing the exact specs and options you plan on getting ?
Based on what I’m reading I will pass on the turbo and pass on the 4 GTS.
I don’t plan on driving in snow or bad weather. Also having a manual is important to me.
Thanks again!

 

[yrralis1]

Wow plenty of good advice and wisdom with your post !
thank you so much for your help!!!

do you mind me asking if you are getting a manual or pdk with your next gts ?
Also do you mind sharing the exact specs and options you plan on getting ?
Based on what I’m reading I will pass on the turbo and pass on the 4 GTS.
I don’t plan on driving in snow or bad weather. Also having a manual is important to me.
Thanks again!

The manual versus PDK is it dictate that most people are very text in their opinion. I happen to be one that loves both equally. My modify 2007 turbo is a manual. My 981 box the rest that I had was a manual. All of my 997 prior to 2009 with manuals as well as my 993-896 ..

When Porsche converted to a seven speed and went to an all turbo format in their regular cars that was it for the manual for me. I do understand the newest car lock you out of this gear for that era shift did many people experienced with those upper gear spacing concerns. Nonetheless PDK is faster, More efficient shifting, overrides any error over rev commands , And maintained boost on up shifts as low as downshift. One cannot shift at the speed of the PDK even at the pro level.


I believe that your fathers best chance of getting a car sooner would be to select a base Carrera or Carrera S however be willing to wait the GTS is the one to go in my opinion. I had five beautiful years with my lash GTS which right now sits at my dealership as I traded in this last week. My new car will be here in four weeks and I wanted to take that money off the road in advance of that new car. I loved my last car and Mrs. even still.

If they are promising your father two years they are pulling his leg. In two years 992 Refresh will probably be here. I put my deposit for my car nine months ago. I still don’t have the car. He’s a very different times to buy a 911.

 

[Propofol]

Nonetheless PDK is faster, More efficient shifting, overrides any error over rev commands , And maintained boost on up shifts as low as downshift. One cannot shift at the speed of the PDK even at the pro level.

I should also mention this. The 911 will be my second Porsche. I am already on the waitlist for a gts 718 cayman. It’s expected to arrive within two years. This will be from the same dealership.
This is a manual with certainty.
The 911 can either be a pdk or manual (since I’m already getting a manual cayman).

I agree that the pdk would be superior in terms of performance but are you having as much fun with your pdk 911s as you did with your manual ones ?

 

[yrralis1]

I should also mention this. The 911 will be my second Porsche. I am already on the waitlist for a gts 718 cayman. It’s expected to arrive within two years. This will be from the same dealership.
This is a manual with certainty.
The 911 can either be a pdk or manual (since I’m already getting a manual cayman).

I agree that the pdk would be superior in terms of performance but are you having as much fun with your pdk 911s as you did with your manual ones ?

I feel the strength of one bring out the weaknesses in the other. Neither is perfect. I find that for daily driving on the street in PDK is perfect for Miami. I don’t have to shift gears in traffic I don’t have to constantly downshift slower traffic and when I want that juice I’m going to get it with all the efficiency .

The problem is the two-year timeline. They’re already testing the refresh model. I think it will be here. They have to do better than that. I don’t think they can. My dealership only got one Coupe . I didn’t ask about cabs or targa . My friends dealership in the middle state only got one GTS and it was a cab. His relatives Paid a huge adm to get the slot . Dealerships in California are asking 35/over for a GTS. It’s insane what’s going on with the prices. Yet I traded in my car and I got an okay offer but not anything near what does selling for on the used market with a CPO. The Florida tax credit paid up some of that gap but the retail price of the used market is significantly higher than the wholesale offers.. That’s something to keep in mind if a dealership asks you for a markup. You will never see that money again .

 

[CH61]

Wow plenty of good advice and wisdom with your post !
thank you so much for your help!!!

do you mind me asking if you are getting a manual or pdk with your next gts ?
Also do you mind sharing the exact specs and options you plan on getting ?
Based on what I’m reading I will pass on the turbo and pass on the 4 GTS.
I don’t plan on driving in snow or bad weather. Also having a manual is important to me.
Thanks again!

Welcome! You will get the best advice from @yrralis1 since he's the P car "specialist" but I'm so happy to see that you narrowed down your choices to what YOU really wanted to drive. Like Yrralis said, you were considering 3 completely different cars.

If you're like me and the manual gearbox is what puts a smile on your face then the Turbo is out even if it has the best specs and the best reviews from Pcar enthusiasts. Yrralis may disagree but I wouldn't know what to do with 650hp?! Unless you track your car, when would you use so much power? And I certainly don't want a 4WD on my sports car, so the 4GTS is also out. But that's me. And you would probably get a different answer from each member on this Forum (if they jumped in!) and other Forums.

Yrralis will correct me if I'm wrong but I understand that the base 992 is now faster than the 991.2 (I think). Right or wrong, my point is that P cars (and others) are getting faster and faster with almost too much power. You're over the speed limit in second gear! Where's the fun? In my case, I would probably be very happy with a base 992 with a manual gear box....but it only comes on the S (wake up Porsche).

And my ultimate "foolishness" is to enjoy a convertible (you can see the Pcar enthusiasts rolling their eyes! LOL!). That said, your decision will also be determined by what you've driven before. I would probably be the perfect candidate for the 718 GTS 4.0 cab with MT. But since I've driven 2 Boxsters back to back in the last 10 years (I loved my 981), I don't want it and I wish to stay with Porsche. Not to mention that the 911 has always been my dream car since I was I child! So, for ME, it'll be a 992 S cab with MT. But what about the "hump" will say some? What about it? I LOVE IT!

Get the car YOU want!

 

[yrralis1]

Welcome! You will get the best advice from @yrralis1 since he's the P car "specialist" but I'm so happy to see that you narrowed down your choices to what YOU really wanted to drive. Like Yrralis said, you were considering 3 completely different cars.

If you're like me and the manual gearbox is what puts a smile on your face then the Turbo is out even if it has the best specs and the best reviews from Pcar enthusiasts. Yrralis may disagree but I wouldn't know what to do with 650hp?! Unless you track your car, when would you use so much power? And I certainly don't want a 4WD on my sports car, so the 4GTS is also out. But that's me. And you would probably get a different answer from each member on this Forum (if they jumped in!) and other Forums.

Yrralis will correct me if I'm wrong but I understand that the base 992 is now faster than the 991.2 (I think). Right or wrong, my point is that P cars (and others) are getting faster and faster with almost too much power. You're over the speed limit in second gear! Where's the fun? In my case, I would probably be very happy with a base 992 with a manual gear box....but it only comes on the S (wake up Porsche).

And my ultimate "foolishness" is to enjoy a convertible (you can see the Pcar enthusiasts rolling their eyes! LOL!). That said, your decision will also be determined by what you've driven before. I would probably be the perfect candidate for the 718 GTS 4.0 cab with MT. But since I've driven 2 Boxsters back to back in the last 10 years (I loved my 981), I don't want it and I wish to stay with Porsche. Not to mention that the 911 has always been my dream car since I was I child! So, for ME, it'll be a 992 S cab with MT. But what about the "hump" will say some? What about it? I LOVE IT!

Get the car YOU want!

I totally agree with you. He has to find the right car for himself.I don’t write my reviews as as an expert. I write them as an regular owner . I have owned and driven many of these cars over the years.

Last night I watched your second video and it’s entirety on the cab. Janko Truly looks like a little kid having fun riding a bike as he called it. There was something to be said about that. Another thing that he brought up that I thought I noticed but wasn’t sure of what is they streamlined the car more. They took the hump off the rear and improved it tremendously . Although I’m normally a fan of white cars I think your Gentian car is a better pic for this. I also think Bobby GT silver is a winning ticket as well. Those are two really dynamite colors for the car.

I think you’ll have a blast rolling the gears with the top down and the wind blowing through your hair. he talked about not just connecting with the car but with making connection with the nature around you as you’re driving. I found that very interesting and thought about it afterwards.

I’m glad Porsche has a variety of choices and at the forum has a variety of members that are passionate about the choice they selected.

I think the hardest part with the original poster is that he’s pushing out two years and so much can happen in that time that it’s just not realistic to wait that long. If the second generation 992 is already in testing in two years from now we’re gonna start seeing them here or the journalist writing about them., I would have to ask around with other dealerships to see what’s available sooner. If nothing appealed I would look at the used market in the CPO territory.

 

[CH61]

I totally agree with you. He has to find the right car for himself.I don’t write my reviews as as an expert. I write them as an regular owner . I have owned and driven many of these cars over the years.

Last night I watched your second video and it’s entirety on the cab. Janko Truly looks like a little kid having fun riding a bike as he called it. There was something to be said about that. Another thing that he brought up that I thought I noticed but wasn’t sure of what is they streamlined the car more. They took the hump off the rear and improved it tremendously . Although I’m normally a fan of white cars I think your Gentian car is a better pic for this. I also think Bobby GT silver is a winning ticket as well. Those are two really dynamite colors for the car.

I think you’ll have a blast rolling the gears with the top down and the wind blowing through your hair. he talked about not just connecting with the car but with making connection with the nature around you as you’re driving. I found that very interesting and thought about it afterwards.

I’m glad Porsche has a variety of choices and at the forum has a variety of members that are passionate about the choice they selected.

I think the hardest part with the original poster is that he’s pushing out two years and so much can happen in that time that it’s just not realistic to wait that long. If the second generation 992 is already in testing in two years from now we’re gonna start seeing them here or the journalist writing about them., I would have to ask around with other dealerships to see what’s available sooner. If nothing appealed I would look at the used market in the CPO territory.

You may not consider yourself an "expert" Yrralis but you sure know your Pcars (and you're 3 years older than me! 🤪) ! As for CPO territory, even if I considered paying more than new, I looked and I'm still looking but there's not ONE manual available (all models combined). Ok, there is one that I showed you. The manual transmission is unfortunately a dying breed, a technology from the "old world"! I feel old suddenly.

About the color, see pic attached of my old 981. Yep! Like you, I love white. But change is good (for me). Hope that GB is not too purplish! LOL! 😅

What else do you notice (or not see) in the pic and that we were discussing with Bobby on the other thread?

 

[Propofol]

Thank you very much for your responses.
My decision to move forward with getting a 911 now is because I don’t want a hybrid version of the vehicle. Does anyone know when the hybrid will come out ?

Thank you.

 

[yrralis1]

You may not consider yourself an "expert" Yrralis but you sure know your Pcars (and you're 3 years older than me! 🤪) ! As for CPO territory, even if I considered paying more than new, I looked and I'm still looking but there's not ONE manual available (all models combined). Ok, there is one that I showed you. The manual transmission is unfortunately a dying breed, a technology from the "old world"! I feel old suddenly.

About the color, see pic attached of my old 981. Yep! Like you, I love white. But change is good (for me). Hope that GB is not too purplish! LOL! 😅

What else do you notice (or not see) in the pic and that we were discussing with Bobby on the other thread?

Yikes !! We were twins !! Mine was a manual too BTW !!!
This was the last time I saw it . Usually I just gibe that last look . This time I stopped and took its last picture . It was the car I traded for my last GTS .

 

[yrralis1]

Thank you very much for your responses.
My decision to move forward with getting a 911 now is because I don’t want a hybrid version of the vehicle. Does anyone know when the hybrid will come out ?

Thank you.

Nothing confirmed by Porsche as of yet .

 

[CH61]

Yikes !! We were twins !! Mine was a manual too BTW !!!
This was the last time I saw it . Usually I just gibe that last look . This time I stopped and took its last picture . It was the car I traded for my last GTS .
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Call me sentimental but I always leave my cars with a twinge of sorrow. Had i known what was coming, I would've kept it a litle longer. My dealer was smarter and offered me a price i couldn't refuse and that will be used in exchange when the 911 comes. Till then, I'm looking for a ride for this spring. Found an add for an Aston Martin V8 Vantage Roadster manual with 2K miles on it. Don't know anything about British cars. Don't know what I'll do?

 

[yrralis1]

Call me sentimental but I always leave my cars with a twinge of sorrow. Had i known what was coming, I would've kept it a litle longer. My dealer was smarter and offered me a price i couldn't refuse and that will be used in exchange when the 911 comes. Till then, I'm looking for a ride for this spring. Found an add for an Aston Martin V8 Vantage Roadster manual with 2K miles on it. Don't know anything about British cars. Don't know what I'll do?

That sounds like an older car . The older Aston Vantage had issues . My friend had a recent one . He didn't keep it long . He traded it for a Spyder . He also bought an M3 X drive as his daily . He loves the car !! He did a great review on it too . Here's his channel . He got tired of watching journalist reviews so he began making his own with his cars . https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC90gPzI1S0r5_BYXG1oSdaw

 

[CH61]

That sounds like an older car . The older Aston Vantage had issues . My friend had a recent one . He didn't keep it long . He traded it for a Spyder . He also bought an M3 X drive as his daily . He loves the car !! He did a great review on it too . Here's his channel . He got tired of watching journalist reviews so he began making his own with his cars . https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC90gPzI1S0r5_BYXG1oSdaw

You're right, that Aston is a MY16! But how did the guy (or girl) manage to put ONLY 2K miles on it? I think I'm more affraid of a car that hasn't been driven in 4-5 years. I'll pass...

I'll go take a look on your friend Pete's Youtube channel.

 

[yrralis1]

Thank you very much for your responses.
My decision to move forward with getting a 911 now is because I don’t want a hybrid version of the vehicle. Does anyone know when the hybrid will come out ?

Thank you.

BTW I read one of my posts above , It was incomprehensible . I want to apologize for the awful typing . I do a lot of night driving . There are times I stop and post . When its dark and I lack reading glasses I use dictation. It usually does fairly well . I just read it now and ... Sheesh !! Sorry.

 

[Propofol]

BTW I read one of my posts above , It was incomprehensible . I want to apologize for the awful typing . I do a lot of night driving . There are times I stop and post . When its dark and I lack reading glasses I use dictation. It usually does fairly well . I just read it now and ... Sheesh !! Sorry.

Absolutely not! I could understand everything your saying.
I read your other post in a different thread regarding your silver build configuration and I learned a lot from the thread. Thank you.
both of you guys are really helpful reading your other posts

 

[BillH]

I got my 992 GTS at Christmas (PDK)
it is sensational and in my opinion the best 911 you can buy
The 4wd adds too much weight and unless one is commuting on snow covered roads not needed
Go for it, order a GTS 2 pdk today!

 

[BillH]

 

[Propofol]

Hi everyone thank you so much for your helpful responses.
Im definitely going to get a gts 911. Rear wheel drive.
In regards to manual vs pdk, I think I am leaning towards pdk

this is because I’m already fourth in line for a 718 cayman gts manual.
I firmly believe you can’t have everything in one car. So the next best thing is to have two that are different.
I don’t want to send anyone the wrong message here. I’ve worked hard for a while and have never owned a sports car. These two cars will be for me to keep and not trade in (especially since the hybrids and electrics are coming out soon).
Thank you and will keep you updated with my build !