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While we wait for the next GT3 I thought we could keep a list going as information comes out. Already we've seen a trickle down effect happening on the 992 Carrera and should be in for more surprises with this flagship trim. Here's what I found out so far:


  • 4.0L flat six with increased displacement and power to 516 (up from 513)
  • seven-speed PDK with an optional manual transmission
  • increased carbon fiber
  • advanced weight cutting technology
  • bigger focus on aerodynamics
  • "something special for race tracks … like you already can see on motorbikes" according to a Porsche executive
 

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Glad that its staying naturally aspirated and will retain a manual gearbox. How much extra power are we expecting to see from the slight bump in displacement? 5-10hp?
 

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Glad that its staying naturally aspirated and will retain a manual gearbox. How much extra power are we expecting to see from the slight bump in displacement? 5-10hp?
don't expect N/A for much longer, I heard from the rumor mill that a turbo is in the works for 992's
 

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So long as they ensure that there is no turbo lag and they can maintain the engine/exhaust note from previous models then I'm willing to accept it. Everyone is moving to turbo set ups.
 

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I think if McLaren can achieve this with a hypercar developed 5-7 years ago then Porsche has no excuse especially with McLaren's aggressive launch plan.
 

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Most of the first impression videos have reported you won't even notice the turbo powerplant. Its refined enough that there isnt a distinct difference in exhaust note or power delivery.
 

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Most of the first impression videos have reported you won't even notice the turbo powerplant. Its refined enough that there isnt a distinct difference in exhaust note or power delivery.
Over time regular Porsche 911 owners won't mind it since there are many other aspects of the 911's experience you can't get anywhere else.
 

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Hi.

Im new to the forum. Great to see a place to hand out and discuss the 992 GT3 which is a car Im very interested and learning all I can about.

Im a 991.2 GT3 (Manual) owner, clubsport spec car. It replaces a 981 GT4 and a 991.1 GT3 Clubsport. I use these cars almost exclusiveluy for circuit work and back road blasts. Im based in New Zealand and have owned Porsche for 20 years with a long list of models from 993RS and newer.

I have a 992 GT3 on order and Im very excited by the prospect even being a more "traditional" owner. I believe it will be a significant shift forward like the 991.1 was to the 997.2 GT3. Mostly Im refering to its competency on the track as I dont use the GT3 as a road car for daily duties. Im also excited by the tech.

So what tdo we know (facts and otherwise)?
  • 1). Launch Geneva March 2020 (not a fact but highly likely looking at previous GT3 cycles and launches and how developed the current prototype cars appear to be).
  • 2). 4.0L with 6 x ITB and PF (in markets where its required - i.e. EU). Not a fact however it is on record from a PAG employee at the 991.2 Speedster unveil that that engine will serve as the starting poing for the new 992 GT2 program. The engine is thus likely to have different injectors and higher fuel rail pressure with a small change in compression.
  • 3). Power likely 520PS (516bhp) with torque 346lbft (so same as outgoing RS but likely makes its power differnetly on the rev band)
  • 4). Wider front track as per 992 Carrera. (fact)
  • 5). Front tyres now 255/35/R20 and rears now 305/30R21 so wider typre patch front and rear for better lateral grip and braking. This is more or less a fact as the tyre widths are visible on the mules. Looks like Michelin already have a new staggared set of Cup2 ready for this car...
  • 6). PDK and manual. PDK is almostcertainly to be the 991.2 7 speed PDK unit as stated in two seperate interviews by PAG management. This is good as its proven and lighter than the 8 speed unit and the GT3 doesnt need overdrive.
  • 7). More aero. The new car will have depper diffusers that start earlier on the undertray of the car for mroe ground effects. The rear spoiler is likely to be larger and using a "swan neck" type design for better flow of pressurised air over the foil. The imporvements are likely to be significant enough to give the 992 GT3 downforce similar or excess of the 991.1 GT3RS. Thes eare more or less facts as you can see form various Nurburgring videos including the one with the car parked at the side of the track.
  • 8). Creases in hood, intake grill for cooler now part of hood not front bumper, new headlights, new door haandles, updated interior and electronics, re designed sports seats - these are all facts based on production 992 Carrera and GT3 prototypes
It would be great if we can update this list when we hear or see new developments. The 992 GT3 will be an impressive machine on teh track and early accounts from what I understand have indicated the car will be close to 7.00 at the Nurburgring with the factory supplied Cup2 tires. These improvements will largely come form the wider track with larger tyre patch no doubt improved resolution dampers with new programs for PASM and RWS and EPAS and of course aero/downforce. The engine should be fractionally more responisve and make a little more mid range torque and top end power. Turn in and steering feel should also be enhanced over 991.2. It would be really nice if they would update the Carbon bucket seats and a new folding one would be even better but I dont think we will see this in the 992.1. Also it appears the brakes will stay as current generation brembo (size and design) for both steel and PCCB (the upcoming 992 Turbo being released in the next month or so should confirm). I expect weight to increase only marginally (but they way they have to report it is now changed from last generation)....

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Great information @Macca and I look forward especially to what the GT3 and GT2 992 hold. It supposed to be some big developments considering the shift in powertrains.

Thoughts?


P.S. ... i'm still not sold on Porsche potentially going hybrid
 

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Great information @Macca and I look forward especially to what the GT3 and GT2 992 hold. It supposed to be some big developments considering the shift in powertrains.

Thoughts?


P.S. ... i'm still not sold on Porsche potentially going hybrid
Hi Touge. We wont see any shift in powertains for 992.1 GT3/RS. I understand still the 4.0L unit for both. At the end of the 992.1 product cycle we should see a one off 992.1 GT3 "RS 50th Anniversary" variant. This is to celebrate 50 years of the original announcemnet of the 2.7 RS in 1972. My bet is they will keep the 4.2L engine from the recently announced RSR for this last of breed edition. It will be limited in numbers and no doubt very special (like the recent 935). Think of it like a last gift (similar to 997.2 GT3 RS 4.0) before hyprid technology starts to creap into the 992 product range starting with 992.2. As for GT2 I expect the 992 GT2RS will be based on the 9A2 4.0L architecture as recently announched in the GT4. Getting 700+ bhp from this unit will be very easy (175 bhp per litre same as the factory tine on the Alfa Romeo Giulia QV by example). Turbo is much easier and cheaper to extract power - even the internals dont need to be as exotic).
 

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Hi Touge. We wont see any shift in powertains for 992.1 GT3/RS. I understand still the 4.0L unit for both. At the end of the 992.1 product cycle we should see a one off 992.1 GT3 "RS 50th Anniversary" variant. This is to celebrate 50 years of the original announcemnet of the 2.7 RS in 1972. My bet is they will keep the 4.2L engine from the recently announced RSR for this last of breed edition. It will be limited in numbers and no doubt very special (like the recent 935). Think of it like a last gift (similar to 997.2 GT3 RS 4.0) before hyprid technology starts to creap into the 992 product range starting with 992.2. As for GT2 I expect the 992 GT2RS will be based on the 9A2 4.0L architecture as recently announched in the GT4. Getting 700+ bhp from this unit will be very easy (175 bhp per litre same as the factory tine on the Alfa Romeo Giulia QV by example). Turbo is much easier and cheaper to extract power - even the internals dont need to be as exotic).
Thanks for the insight. Curious to see how tuners extract more power from the turbo setup. What do you think the potential is like?
 

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Hi Touge. Id have no idea myself as the turbocharged cars are not something I particularly follow. Id imagine tuners will easily get 700+ bhp from the new 992 TT when it break cover, probably from a simple ECU tune. More than that may need change of intercoolers, turbos and exhaust. The GPF system will be thefirst hurdle for them to get their heads around I guess....
 

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Yesterday these pictures were posted fresh from Nurburgring and 992.1 GT3 testing. We now see the mule wearing a different set of wheels. The rear spoiler foil now looks more sculpured with a gurney flap and of most interest we now see the finished diffuser exit piece below the centre exhays which has been missing until now. Sources indicate the car will be moving from European circuit testing to hot/cold climate testing next month and will be on target for March 2020 Geneva reveal...
 

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Yesterday these pictures were posted fresh from Nurburgring and 992.1 GT3 testing. We now see the mule wearing a different set of wheels. The rear spoiler foil now looks more sculpured with a gurney flap and of most interest we now see the finished diffuser exit piece below the centre exhays which has been missing until now. Sources indicate the car will be moving from European circuit testing to hot/cold climate testing next month and will be on target for March 2020 Geneva reveal...
Found a report on it with more information for anyone interested. Great catch!

Earlier this year we stumbled upon a video of a 911 GT3 prototype that lacked the typical, for the model, massive rear wing. At the time, we speculated that the car was the upcoming GT3 Touring Package, and now came across yet another test mule that fits the same description.

Unlike others, this one featured the standard rear spoiler of the regular 911 from the latest 992 generation. It also sports a new rear diffuser and lacks the GT3 air vents behind the rear window for engine cooling.

That said, it does feature other typical GT3 identification marks such as the center lock wheels, oversized brakes, and central double exhaust pipes. This leads us to believe Porsche has already started working on the new 992-based GT3 Touring Package much earlier in the model’s life cycle than it did with the 991.2-based version.

Given the absence of interior photos, we can’t tell if this prototype features a manual transmission like its predecessor, but we sure hope it does, even as an option. In any case, the engine will still be a naturally aspirated flat-six, in all likelihood displacing 4.0 liters. Power should increase compared to the previous 911 GT3, with some reports talking of 520 HP (527 PS), which should be more than enough to satisfy prospective customers.

Logically, the production car will launch after the “regular” 911 GT3 that is expected to make its debut at the Frankfurt Motor Show next month, which means some time in 2020.
 

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Great find with the video!


Sept = Taycan. Nov = 992 Turbo. March = 992 GT3. Soft launch GTS in next 6 months once turbo is launched (shares same wide body)
 
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