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wingless

Discussion Starter · 1 mo ago

Hi all.

Recently paid deposit at local dealership so I'm added to the list for a 911 GTS. The dealership says 2-3 years, maybe sooner.

My thought is to get one / enjoy one while I still have (hopefully) many years of unfettered personal mobility remaining.

While I like the central locking wheels, I'm leaning towards the Carrera S wheels, both for the ability for me to remove / replace the wheels and for the ability to have the wheels painted in the exterior color. Yes, it would be possible for me to get a torque multiplier tool, but I'm fine w/ lug bolts.

My plan is to get a manual transmission on my GTS, even though that hurts 0-60 by fractions of a second. It would surprise me if I'm doing many WOT takeoffs. I like shifting a transmission manually.

Also thinking about configuring the 911 GTS w/ front buckets having the rear seat delete.

Probably will go to Porsche Cars North America in Atlanta w/ my younger daughter prior to finalizing the selection to utilize their color / fabric / option samples to attain the configuration that is best for me. IMO having the ability to bring a real painted sample into various lighting conditions, including sunlight / daylight, is the only / best way to get a feel for that color.

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yrralis1

· #2 · 1 mo ago

Hi @wingless - Some might recognize you from Macan Forum . Most of us (except Bobby) have one . I can give a few viewpoints . Some might chime in , agree, disagree , etc .

1) The wait - Almost all of us had a long wait . Even though I got the first allocation the process still took a year . If I were quoted 2 to 3 year wait I would call other dealerships and also look at the CPO market . Keep in mind that what they ask is not what they get and some people are finicky . They drive a car a few thousand miles and trade . The cars are slightly over MSRP used but have come down . Keep in mind that the extra paid might even equal the 2 year ahead price increase .

2) Manual or PDK. - Both are world class . The manual in the GTS is quite improved . It has a shorter gear level to give a great position as well as short throw . I chose PDK for a few reasons . The biggest reason is that the car has a Turbo engine . 0-60 times are meaningless . The manual on a turbo engine sacrifices efficiency . I also felt the car was designed to be an 8 speed . The PDK is 8 speed . That means the 7 has longer gearing . One thing that I also felt that gears 3.5, 7 are a lot of gears and the upper gears not only take getting used to (over a traditional 6) but Porsche even blocked a mis shift error in the 992 after the 991 . Another reason is a manual can over rev . Some might argue that PDK over revs on manual mode when it hits the cutoff . Big difference tis that Porsche set the computer and in auto mode it will ignore any over rev commands . The biggest plus on a manual is psychological contentment. Some people must have the rowing motion to feel engaged , That is a great reason to buy it.

3)I love the lightweight package . The glass retains the exhaust note in the cabin and filters out the ambient noise quite nicely . The steering is tweaked . The car at redline has this beautiful intoxicating sound of resonance that is quite addictive . I love many things about the buckets but its my daily and sadly I am 65 . I will be 70 when I trade it . If it were a part time car then yes even at my age . Its all about how you feel with the seat .

4) One thing not mentioned is PCCB . I LOVE them !!! Its not that the steel brakes are bad and the price is right on them . However the PCCB has incredible pedal feel and stop power. I am doomed to order all my future 911's with them now .

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BobbyG

· #3 · 1 mo ago

yrralis1 said:
Hi @wingless - Some might recognize you from Macan Forum . Most of us (except Bobby) have one . I can give a few viewpoints . Some might chime in , agree, disagree , etc .

1) The wait - Almost all of us had a long wait . Even though I got the first allocation the process still took a year . If I were quoted 2 to 3 year wait I would call other dealerships and also look at the CPO market . Keep in mind that what they ask is not what they get and some people are finicky . They drive a car a few thousand miles and trade . The cars are slightly over MSRP used but have come down . Keep in mind that the extra paid might even equal the 2 year ahead price increase .

2) Manual or PDK. - Both are world class . The manual in the GTS is quite improved . It has a shorter gear level to give a great position as well as short throw . I chose PDK for a few reasons . The biggest reason is that the car has a Turbo engine . 0-60 times are meaningless . The manual on a turbo engine sacrifices efficiency . I also felt the car was designed to be an 8 speed . The PDK is 8 speed . That means the 7 has longer gearing . One thing that I also felt that gears 3.5, 7 are a lot of gears and the upper gears not only take getting used to (over a traditional 6) but Porsche even blocked a mis shift error in the 992 after the 991 . Another reason is a manual can over rev . Some might argue that PDK over revs on manual mode when it hits the cutoff . Big difference tis that Porsche set the computer and in auto mode it will ignore any over rev commands . The biggest plus on a manual is psychological contentment. Some people must have the rowing motion to feel engaged , That is a great reason to buy it.

3)I love the lightweight package . The glass retains the exhaust note in the cabin and filters out the ambient noise quite nicely . The steering is tweaked . The car at redline has this beautiful intoxicating sound of resonance that is quite addictive . I love many things about the buckets but its my daily and sadly I am 65 . I will be 70 when I trade it . If it were a part time car then yes even at my age . Its all about how you feel with the seat .

4) One thing not mentioned is PCCB . I LOVE them !!! Its not that the steel brakes are bad and the price is right on them . However the PCCB has incredible pedal feel and stop power. I am doomed to order all my future 911's with them now .

Wingless, best of luck in your decision because the wait was/is killer. Love my Carrera S with Manual. For me its more engaging from a to b. It’s my daily driver also like Larry. Good luck!

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KM992

· #4 · 1 mo ago

Welcome!

I also started on the Macan forum before finding my way here (km20turbo). There’s lots of humour and entertainment on this forum along with the occasional piece of good advice. 😜

Larry covered most of what I had to say. The one option where our opinion differs is regarding PCCB. The rotors are prone to scoring or chipping if you get a pebble between the pad and rotor and it’s an expensive fix. There’s also reports of debris getting between the calliper and wheel which scored the inner barrel of the wheel (the gap is very tight). Both of these are rare but concerned me because my roads have lots of gravel on them from winter sanding. I’m sure the brakes are great - just something to consider depending on where you drive and your comfort level with the potential $$$$ repair bill.

Your reasoning around center lock vs Carrera S wheels makes a lot of sense. In spite of the inconvenience, I admire the intricate design and would enjoy novelty of working with them. Tough call. No wrong answer either way.

As for timing and waiting for an allocation, it really sucks! I “only” waited a year for an allocation before I got an S. I was hopeful that the post Covid world would see wait times diminish but that doesn‘t seem to be happening. I spent a lot of time on the phone with multiple dealerships which got me an allocation faster than I normally would‘ve. I hate the idea of paying ADM or inflated used prices but as Larry mentioned the price increase this year alone was $10k and getting the car sooner makes it an option to consider.

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yrralis1

· #5 · 1 mo ago

KM992 said:
Welcome!

I also started on the Macan forum before finding my way here (km20turbo). There’s lots of humour and entertainment on this forum along with the occasional piece of good advice. 😜

Larry covered most of what I had to say. The one option where our opinion differs is regarding PCCB. The rotors are prone to scoring or chipping if you get a pebble between the pad and rotor and it’s an expensive fix. There’s also reports of debris getting between the calliper and wheel which scored the inner barrel of the wheel (the gap is very tight). Both of these are rare but concerned me because my roads have lots of gravel on them from winter sanding. I’m sure the brakes are great - just something to consider depending on where you drive and your comfort level with the potential $$$$ repair bill.

Your reasoning around center lock vs Carrera S wheels makes a lot of sense. In spite of the inconvenience, I admire the intricate design and would enjoy novelty of working with them. Tough call. No wrong answer either way.

As for timing and waiting for an allocation, it really sucks! I “only” waited a year for an allocation before I got an S. I was hopeful that the post Covid world would see wait times diminish but that doesn‘t seem to be happening. I spent a lot of time on the phone with multiple dealerships which got me an allocation faster than I normally would‘ve. I hate the idea of paying ADM or inflated used prices but as Larry mentioned the price increase this year alone was $10k and getting the car sooner makes it an option to consider.

I didn't address two points and you raised them so I will.

1) PCCB and pebbles - Before I bought them I inquired about service and I also inquired about "why so much forum worry ". I did not ask this to sales . In fact it was sales that even had a little worry . Service explained two things _
a) The actual cost of routine wear is less because the brakes last longer . It will cost more when its done but the timeline is longer by enough to say that it comes out cheaper .
b) If a person lives where there is a lot of construction or gravel do NOT get them .

2) 5 Bolt Vs Center Lock - Center lock wheels are the only ones on the 911 that are forged . The rest are cast / A forged wheel is not only lighter but stronger . Of course there are 5 bolt wheels by HRE which are amazing that blow away anything OEM but I am only discussing the 3 offered .
Most people get the 5 bolt over the center lock for tire change convenience . A person who uses the car for travel might face a big issue with a small tire shop and flat tire .
The Carrera S wheel would be a voluntary downgrade even from the RS 5 bolt . I have only seen one guy on Rennlist order them as well as one locally .

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LessKrazy1

· #6 · 1 mo ago

Another welcome. Long wait indeed, not sure if I could do it. My dealer categorically refused to tick the wheel option to “lug” setup😝. The wheels are superior quality, fit the car better and just look soooo good.

CH61

· #7 · 1 mo ago

wingless said:
Hi all.

Recently paid deposit at local dealership so I'm added to the list for a 911 GTS. The dealership says 2-3 years, maybe sooner.

My thought is to get one / enjoy one while I still have (hopefully) many years of unfettered personal mobility remaining.

While I like the central locking wheels, I'm leaning towards the Carrera S wheels, both for the ability for me to remove / replace the wheels and for the ability to have the wheels painted in the exterior color. Yes, it would be possible for me to get a torque multiplier tool, but I'm fine w/ lug bolts.

My plan is to get a manual transmission on my GTS, even though that hurts 0-60 by fractions of a second. It would surprise me if I'm doing many WOT takeoffs. I like shifting a transmission manually.

Also thinking about configuring the 911 GTS w/ front buckets having the rear seat delete.

Probably will go to Porsche Cars North America in Atlanta w/ my younger daughter prior to finalizing the selection to utilize their color / fabric / option samples to attain the configuration that is best for me. IMO having the ability to bring a real painted sample into various lighting conditions, including sunlight / daylight, is the only / best way to get a feel for that color.

Welcome to the forum @wingless. Dealers have learned their lesson and no longer overpromise and underdeliver, something some of us had to suffer ("maybe next week"or "next month" and so on for more than a year.). Honesty and transparency from your dealer is what you want. Then it’s up to you to decide how much you’re willing to wait.

Every 992 is unique and reflects it’s owners personality. So you should build yours just like you want it with nothing more and nothing less. Some of us are romantics (they call us dinosaurs) and prefer a stick. I understand ALL the advantages of PDK and enjoyed driving one before placing my order. But when I drive manual I personally just have more fun. No other reason.

Now tell me, you’re going to Atlanta to confirm your color / fabric / options? That pic of the facility is definitely impressive. I went nuts trying to figure out how Gentian Blue looked in various lighting conditions. Glad i stuck with it, it’s gorgeous in any light!

Good luck and keep us posted!

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Als992

· #8 · 1 mo ago

Welcome @wingless! 2-3 years does seem like an awful long time! I'll be about 1.5 years and expect my car in a couple of weeks. I'd check around with other dealers but at least they are honest and underpromising. For a lot of us it is a once in a lifetime decision so follow your gut and don't order it "for the next guy". Yes, CPO are available now with an ADM but there's something about ordering it to your spec that can't be replicated. As we've all said there is no wrong answer on pdk vs manual but i prefer the engagement of a MT even though pdk is the best in the business and I could care less about that .3 second loss, these cars are all incredibly fast and some say too fast for normal driving. Heck, i even got the lowly T and am ecstatic. Best of luck in your decision.

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wingless

Discussion Starter · #9 · 1 mo ago

CH61 said:
Now tell me, you’re going to Atlanta to confirm your color / fabric / options? That pic of the facility is definitely impressive. I went nuts trying to figure out how Gentian Blue looked in various lighting conditions. Glad i stuck with it, it’s gorgeous in any light!

Thanks.

That picture was taken by me when my elder daughter and I collected my Macan in Atlanta at the Porsche Experience Center Delivery Atlanta.

Those closed drawers on the bottom are FULL of additional painted color samples.

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BobbyG

· #10 · 1 mo ago

Als992 said:
Welcome @wingless! 2-3 years does seem like an awful long time! I'll be about 1.5 years and expect my car in a couple of weeks. I'd check around with other dealers but at least they are honest and underpromising. For a lot of us it is a once in a lifetime decision so follow your gut and don't order it "for the next guy". Yes, CPO are available now with an ADM but there's something about ordering it to your spec that can't be replicated. As we've all said there is no wrong answer on pdk vs manual but i prefer the engagement of a MT even though pdk is the best in the business and I could care less about that .3 second loss, these cars are all incredibly fast and some say too fast for normal driving. Heck, i even got the lowly T and am ecstatic. Best of luck in your decision.

Nothing lowly with a T my friend!

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yrralis1

· #11 · 1 mo ago

@wingless This guy showed up on Macan Forum and claims to get Macan discounts . I think he might be an avenue worth calling for a potential faste 992 GTS slot . Ask a Porsche Broker Anything! Pricing, Options, Deal...

BobbyG

· #12 · 1 mo ago

yrralis1 said:
@wingless This guy showed up on Macan Forum and claims to get Macan discounts . I think he might be an avenue worth calling for a potential faste 992 GTS slot . Ask a Porsche Broker Anything! Pricing, Options, Deal...

Interesting….

yrralis1

· #13 · 1 mo ago

BobbyG said:
Interesting….

He sounded straight up . $599 flat fee with a dealer connection ready to sell . I person may have to wait his turn but the timeline the Op is given points towards asking . We saw with @KM992 for example he wanted a GTS but one dealership jerked him around and the other told him they can get an S . At this point one can't be too picky . I know a guy who waited two years and no Its so he made calls . He found. deal that fell through . It wasn't his first choice color but he felt it was acceptable (wanted agate and got JBM) . Used and CPO cars are all over the place . When I got my car no one had them yet . Now its. different ball game.

LessKrazy1

· #14 · 1 mo ago

One thing I do not get is, if the wait is now 2yrs why are there more and more Cpo cars out there.

yrralis1

· #15 · 1 mo ago

LessKrazy1 said:
One thing I do not get is, if the wait is now 2yrs why are there more and more Cpo cars out there.

New vs used . Custom order Vs Take it or leave it. The biggest plus is .. NOW .

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yrralis1

· #16 · 1 mo ago

LessKrazy1 said:
One thing I do not get is, if the wait is now 2yrs why are there more and more Cpo cars out there.

Its very hard to find one with a manual transmission . This was the least expensive in a national search . It looks like a modest spec car likely pricing in the 150's that they are asking 180's.Was delivered to first owner on 10/28 so its new . Has less than 1K miles .

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I have seen them as high as 215 . My dealership has an impeccable CPO at 215 but it looks like a 165K car but is a PDK (he wants manual) . It has lightweight and buckets though .

Als992

· #17 · 1 mo ago

LessKrazy1 said:
One thing I do not get is, if the wait is now 2yrs why are there more and more Cpo cars out there.

Likely a lot of allocations are taken by those regular customers trading them in and/or perhaps upgrading so the dealership can sell both their CPO and new model. 2-3 year wait for any newbies.

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wingless

Discussion Starter · #18 · 27 d ago

wingless said:
Recently paid deposit at local dealership so I'm added to the list for a 911 GTS. The dealership says 2-3 years, maybe sooner.

Just stopped in and talked to my salesperson to change my wait list vehicle selection.

My new current selection is a 911 Targa 4 GTS.

Still no idea when that will become available.

BobbyG

· #19 · 27 d ago

wingless said:
Just stopped in and talked to my salesperson to change my wait list vehicle selection.

My new current selection is a 911 Targa 4 GTS.

Still no idea when that will become available.

Go for it. I was offered a Turbo but very happy with my Carrera S.

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