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Question about Sport Mode with PSE but no SC

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Discussion Starter · 4 mo ago

Hello, I noticed in the configurator that if one specs the sport exhaust but not the Sport Chrono Package, the physical SPORT toggle on the dash is replaced by the Exhaust toggle.

So in this case how does one engage Sport mode? Would you have to go into the infotainment, or does the Exhaust toggle automatically put you in Sport mode?

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BTD

· #2 · 4 mo ago

I have 2022 Base w/pse and no sport chrono and have sport mode toggle on dash cluster. Pretty sure what this button does can be configured in pcm to have pse on/off, shock setting, etc

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Discussion Starter · #3 · 4 mo ago

BTD said:
I have 2022 Base w/pse and no sport chrono and have sport mode toggle on dash cluster. Pretty sure what this button does can be configured in pcm to have pse on/off, shock setting, etc

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Interesting, I wonder if they changed this for MY 2023?

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BTD

· #4 · 4 mo ago

Perhaps but can’t imagine why they would. This sport mode toggle can be configured to set a number of options where the pse button appears to be just pse on/off. My guess is the picture you see is some kind of stock photo for earlier year/European or other market/model other than base. If that is on the configurator, are different buttons shown if you don't opt for pse?

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Discussion Starter · #5 · 4 mo ago

BTD said:
Perhaps but can’t imagine why they would. This sport mode toggle can be configured to set a number of options where the pse button appears to be just pse on/off. My guess is the picture you see is some kind of stock photo for earlier year/European or other market/model other than base. If that is on the configurator, are different buttons shown if you don't opt for pse?

Yes, that is what the configurator shows. If you option without PSE, you get WET and SPORT on the left. However, as soon as one options PSE, the SPORT toggle disappears and the PSE toggle takes its place.

If I have to use the touch screen to engage SPORT, that would be a PITA and honestly just another money grab move by Porsche to make you get SC.

BTD

· #6 · 4 mo ago

Strange. I'm guessing the configurator is not showing the correct set up but I guess they could have changed it. I definitely have pse and sport toggle which is very handy. I agree it would be a pita to have to go into pcm every time you wanted to activate sport mode. Wonder if there are any 2023 owners who can confirm set up?

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Discussion Starter · #7 · 4 mo ago

I stopped by at the Porsche dealer today and the SA was confused as well. They showed me a 2022 model with PSE and no SC and the toggle switch configuration was exactly like what BTD showed.

However, by looking at the configurator for the Carrera T and comparing it to its YouTube reviews, there also appears to be a discrepancy. On the configurator it shows two customizable “diamonds”, while YouTube reviews show one customizable diamond on the left and the PSE toggle on the right. Hence, I conclude that the configurator is ultimately inaccurate with regards to the scenario I laid out earlier.

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Discussion Starter · #8 · 4 mo ago

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this is from a ‘23 Cabrio with PSE and no SC.

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yrralis1

· #9 · 4 mo ago

That is odd . I don't know because I have never owned a 911 without sport chrono. Its a must have option for me . That is a question to ask your shop foreman or even a Porsche rep . Dont go into this with any doubt when you place the order .

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BTD

· #10 · 4 mo ago

I'll go with “is configurator wrong” for $100….

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Discussion Starter · #11 · 4 mo ago

BTD said:
I'll go with “is configurator wrong” for $100….

Ditto. Moral of the story, Porsche customers were complaining that the earlier builds lacked a PSE button so now they’re giving it to you, but ya gotta pay for PSE and SC to get it

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Discussion Starter · #12 · 4 mo ago

yrralis1 said:
That is odd . I don't know because I have never owned a 911 without sport chrono. Its a must have option for me . That is a question to ask your shop foreman or even a Porsche rep . Dont go into this with any doubt when you place the order .

I asked my Porsche rep about this, and instead of trying to answer my question, he says “why would you NOT want Sport Chrono Package?” LOL

yrralis1

· #13 · 4 mo ago

Gnet said:
I asked my Porsche rep about this, and instead of trying to answer my question, he says “why would you NOT want Sport Chrono Package?” LOL

I have felt that way myself but didn't ask you . It should at least have an on/pff button . PDK is Porsches most sophisticated component . It was groundbreaking when they changed from tiptronic to PDK in 2009 . It had only been in motorsport before that . SC completes the system . Buying a car without it is still a great car but it never can reach its full capability and is thus incomplete . Its a car that costs a lot of money. I do feel it should be standard but I also feel that way about a lot of "options" Porsche does not include unless selected . I have never had a 911 without.. Even 5 out of 6 Macan's had it. The one that did not was a car bought off the lot the day after my car was rear ended . I simply needed a replacement . On that car there was a button to turn off and on the PSE but its clearly not in your photo . You do deserve an answer . If you dont have it this week I am expecting a part that I have to take to my dealership so one day this week I am going . If still no answer I will ask them .

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Discussion Starter · #14 · 4 mo ago

yrralis1 said:
I have felt that way myself but didn't ask you . It should at least have an on/pff button . PDK is Porsches most sophisticated component . It was groundbreaking when they changed from tiptronic to PDK in 2009 . It had only been in motorsport before that . SC completes the system . Buying a car without it is still a great car but it never can reach its full capability and is thus incomplete . Its a car that costs a lot of money. I do feel it should be standard but I also feel that way about a lot of "options" Porsche does not include unless selected . I have never had a 911 without.. Even 5 out of 6 Macan's had it. The one that did not was a car bought off the lot the day after my car was rear ended . I simply needed a replacement . On that car there was a button to turn off and on the PSE but its clearly not in your photo . You do deserve an answer . If you dont have it this week I am expecting a part that I have to take to my dealership so one day this week I am going . If still no answer I will ask them .

Wow, thank you! But I think I’ve answered my own question, as evidenced by the photo with the ‘23 cabrio.

Regarding sport chrono, while I think it would be nice to have, it’s something I think I can live without. Ditto for the sunroof, full leather package, and Matrix LEDs. Having ACC would be a bonus, too, but where does it end? Throughout my research I’ve decided the only must have option for me is the PSE, just sounds much better to my ears than the standard. If I regret not optioning SC (or any other option), well, there’s always next time

yrralis1

· #15 · 4 mo ago

Gnet said:
Wow, thank you! But I think I’ve answered my own question, as evidenced by the photo with the ‘23 cabrio.

Regarding sport chrono, while I think it would be nice to have, it’s something I think I can live without. Ditto for the sunroof, full leather package, and Matrix LEDs. Having ACC would be a bonus, too, but where does it end? Throughout my research I’ve decided the only must have option for me is the PSE, just sounds much better to my ears than the standard. If I regret not optioning SC (or any other option), well, there’s always next time

I have your answer. I just looked at the configurator. Sport Chrono is standard on the Carrera T it’s the PDK that’s an option. If you up for a manual that’s free. On other models that’s not the case. The option that’s available is the sub second clock. It’s a device used for lab timing and not really necessary. Unless you plan to track the car extensively. As for the toggle, I believe that is simply a clerical error. I’m sitting in my GTS right now and I have the toggle. Call what shown in the picture or two identical call toggles . I never pressed it before so I pressed the one on the far left just now. What we did was change the media source. It would make no sense that Porsche would put two of them. If you look at the steering wheel, it comes with the dial. That will change your car to sport and automatically engage the sport exhaust. That second toggle is only if you want to turn it off, but leave it in sport mode or if you want to turn it on in normal mode. PSE by the way, does not engage in sport plus. What you are getting is the pure raw sound at the highest rev map. It actually sounds more ferocious and less synthetic. I think you’re going to be fine.

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BTD

· #16 · 4 mo ago

To each their own on Sport Chrono but for spirited driving on public highways, my car, sans SC, has all the speed and handling I could ever need or use. When I was building my car and came to SC, I couldn’t figure out when I would need or use those features-not at all concerned about resale so I just saved the $$. While I love my 992, I kinda miss some of the features of my air cooled 911's from long ago-you could fully wind out 2nd and get well into third without getting in to the automatic go to jail speed zone. In my current car, I can get there in less than 10 seconds-SC makes that happen even faster!

yrralis1

· #17 · 4 mo ago

BTD said:
To each their own on Sport Chrono but for spirited driving on public highways, my car, sans SC, has all the speed and handling I could ever need or use. When I was building my car and came to SC, I couldn’t figure out when I would need or use those features-not at all concerned about resale so I just saved the $$. While I love my 992, I kinda miss some of the features of my air cooled 911's from long ago-you could fully wind out 2nd and get well into third without getting in to the automatic go to jail speed zone. In my current car, I can get there in less than 10 seconds-SC makes that happen even faster!

It’s not about resell or necessarily going faster. It’s about having the complete system. You also have the sport response button too. It’s an instant 20 second jump it’s a sport plus when passing. It also doesn’t downshift as quickly if ever taking it to the track. It will hold you all the way to the car is full capacity the gears also shift quicker, the exhaust note changes, the mapping system is different. Without it, you would have excluded a dimension of your vehicle. Sure it is fine for city driving without it in most circumstances. Even if it’s that one or two times you may need it. It’s good to know it’s there. I’m sure in other areas. You don’t eat all the food that’s on your plate all the time. You don’t spend every cent that you have in your lifetime. There are many areas in life that you don’t reach the limit but yet it’s nice to know you could have it in your 150k car . It is standard in the turbo, S, GTS, Carrera, T, all GT cars and why shouldn’t it be standard on every 911? I wish you didn’t have to pay extra for it. I still wouldn’t omit it .

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Discussion Starter · #18 · 4 mo ago

The beauty of configuring your own car is that you can spec it exactly the way you want it. Choosing options because of "resale value" is, in my opinion, tantamount to speccing the car for the next guy instead of yourself. There is no such thing as an objective, universal, unfailing "must-have" option, although your Porsche salesman might suggest otherwise.

yrralis1 said:
It’s not about resell or necessarily going faster. It’s about having the complete system. You also have the sport response button too. It’s an instant 20 second jump it’s a sport plus when passing. It also doesn’t downshift as quickly if ever taking it to the track. It will hold you all the way to the car is full capacity the gears also shift quicker, the exhaust note changes, the mapping system is different. Without it, you would have excluded a dimension of your vehicle. Sure it is fine for city driving without it in most circumstances. Even if it’s that one or two times you may need it. It’s good to know it’s there. I’m sure in other areas. You don’t eat all the food that’s on your plate all the time. You don’t spend every cent that you have in your lifetime. There are many areas in life that you don’t reach the limit but yet it’s nice to know you could have it in your 150k car . It is standard in the turbo, S, GTS, Carrera, T, all GT cars and why shouldn’t it be standard on every 911? I wish you didn’t have to pay extra for it. I still wouldn’t omit it .

I do agree that if you want the "complete" 911 experience then go for SC. I had the same mentality when I built my GLA 45 and opted for the $3,200 AMG dynamic plus package (gives you race mode, the AMG equivalent of sport plus). Two years later I've used race mode maybe twice, so for me it wasn't worth it since I don't drive on the track. If my house was on a race track not only would I opt for SC but most definitely also PCCBs. It's easy to get FOMO and option everything just to be safe but for those that know what they want out of their cars then just do what will make your heart content.

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· #19 · 4 mo ago

Gnet said:
The beauty of configuring your own car is that you can spec it exactly the way you want it. Choosing options because of "resale value" is, in my opinion, tantamount to speccing the car for the next guy instead of yourself. There is no such thing as an objective, universal, unfailing "must-have" option, although your Porsche salesman might suggest otherwise.

I do agree that if you want the "complete" 911 experience then go for SC. I had the same mentality when I built my GLA 45 and opted for the $3,200 AMG dynamic plus package (gives you race mode, the AMG equivalent of sport plus). Two years later I've used race mode maybe twice, so for me it wasn't worth it since I don't drive on the track. If my house was on a race track not only would I opt for SC but most definitely also PCCBs. It's easy to get FOMO and option everything just to be safe but for those that know what they want out of their cars then just do what will make your heart content.

Isn’t the entire purpose of buying a 911 the desire to have something more than an ordinary appliance? If a car is used solely for transportation, then Honda or Toyota would get a person from point a to point B. The Carrera T is a car that’s built for enthusiasts and that is why sport Chrono is standard. That is also why it is offered in a manual or pdk despite the fact that the base 911 is not. It is also lighter weight. Of course, when one is sitting in traffic, there’s no need for any of this doesn’t have to be that way but it’s nice to know what led me to a 9/11 in the first place is available at my fingertips. And that “once or twice.” Can leave behind many memories that are carried into the next Porsche. They do add up.

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Discussion Starter · #20 · 4 mo ago

yrralis1 said:
Isn’t the entire purpose of buying a 911 the desire to have something more than an ordinary appliance? If a car is used solely for transportation, then Honda or Toyota would get a person from point a to point B. The Carrera T is a car that’s built for enthusiasts and that is why sport Chrono is standard. That is also why it is offered in a manual or pdk despite the fact that the base 911 is not. It is also lighter weight. Of course, when one is sitting in traffic, there’s no need for any of this doesn’t have to be that way but it’s nice to know what led me to a 9/11 in the first place is available at my fingertips. And that “once or twice.” Can leave behind many memories that are carried into the next Porsche. They do add up.

At this point I think we’re just going around in circles haha. SC or not, the 911 is a great car regardless.

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